Apple has gotten wise to us. New Gestapo tactics employed.

[amplidood]

Snow Leopard has now made it impossible to completely kill either the Finder or the Dock. You try to rename, move, trash, whatever....they magically reappear in CoreServices. Trying to drag PathFinder into CoreServices also is fruitless. It simply won't show up. This is the kind of locking down that Apple was never about in the past. Pissing me off at the moment. They know they can't do it better than all these great developers out here, so LOCK THE DAMN DOOR. Asses.

[okthen]

I highly doubt that Apple are so nefarious and petty that they wrote an entirely new function into a core level of the operating system just to prevent people from using Path Finder. Had you considered that maybe it is a security feature, similar to Windows File Protection? (Or just that you're doing something wrong? Somebody in the Snow Leopard thread in the Support forum seems to have managed what you haven't.)

Also i'd like to think if the height of 'Gestapo tactics' was making it mildly inconvenient for people to replace core OS functionality on their computers, Nazi Germany would not nearly have been so bad.

[amplidood]

If somebody's managed it, could you link me to the thread? a lot of different snow leopard discussions going on.

And I was merely pointing out that using the same finder replacement and dock killing methods produced those odd results. The system NEVER re-copied the Dock and Finder back into CoreServices before Snow Leopard.

Sorry you have to feel so defensive about me having issues.

[okthen]

I'm not defensive, i just thought it was kind of a crazy/paranoid over-reaction.

Anyway, this is the post i was referring to: http://www.cocoatech.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22868&postcount=10

[binary]

It's safe to say that Apple could care less about Path Finder, and it's not in their interest to lock us out. It'd be a waste of their time and resources.

Snow Leopard's security has been heightened, and this was responsible for most of the major Path Finder 5.1.5 and 5.1.6 bugs on SL. You should be able to perform system modifications if you have root access, and I can almost guarantee that it'll work as root through the Terminal rather than the Finder or Path Finder.

Also, just a friendly warning: modifying operating system components can not in any way be supported by Cocoatech, but if you know what you're doing and are willing to accept potential data loss, you're absolutely welcome to try it.

[drayon]

Snow Leopard has now made it impossible to completely kill either the Finder or the Dock. You try to rename, move, trash, whatever....they magically reappear in CoreServices. Trying to drag PathFinder into CoreServices also is fruitless. It simply won't show up. This is the kind of locking down that Apple was never about in the past. Pissing me off at the moment. They know they can't do it better than all these great developers out here, so LOCK THE DAMN DOOR. Asses.

As Binary pointed out: Always login as 'root' to perform these tasks. I never have a problem as root. Safer/Easier still, always have another system backed up on another partition, boot to this an log as 'root' then perform all these tasks on your main system. You can compress 'Finder.app' to a 'zip' and leave that in CoreServices before deleting Finder.app.

Once you have renamed Path Finder.app and Path Finder in the Package Contents to Finder you can move it to CoreServices.

I do the same with System Fonts LucidaGrande, Helvetica, HelveticaNeue. Always move or send the files to the trash then copy your replacements named alike. You wont get any messages as root, but when you log to your normal admin account the system will tell alert you of the change but can't and won't replace the files since they are named alike an you did it as root. Then just logout then back in an the system never bothers you again with any messages.

[davchap]

There is a free program called TinkerTool that allows the user to put a quit command in the Finder menu. It's available here: <http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html>

HTH

[JulietteKlonk]

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